Confirming a Basic NLHE Concept

Cash game. Preflop is raised 4xBB to me, I call from Button minus 2 holding AQd. Flop is Qs Td 3d.

Is there anybody here who *wouldn't* go broke on this flop?

If it matters to you, this was $2 NL, I had $246 in my stack to $160 in the other guy's. (Max buy-in for this game at OnGame is $200.) So I wasn't going to go broke, exactly, but you get the point.

It depends. Is this player typically aggressive postflop? Does he raise frequently preflop? What range did you put him on?

On Jun 7 2006 12:24 AM, davidwatts (aka Chris Bellomy) wrote:

Not a chance I go broke here. Tourney, maybe, cash game, no way.

On Jun 6 2006 9:24 PM, davidwatts (aka Chris Bellomy) wrote:

Raise it. If you are re-raised, you are probaly aginst at least AQ or KK.

Well, even if you got that information, I don't see how you could fold after you raised it. I think I would prefer to flatcall the flop with position and let him bet the turn. Let's assume for discussion that the first bet by the opponent looked like it could be just a normal continuation bet. Since our hero is holding both the A and the Q of diamonds, it's unlikely the guy has any sort of decent draw if he's behind. But barring a set, we have a decent draw if we're behind. So most scenarios seem to benefit by letting the opponent keep the lead out of position and closing the action on the flop. We don't want to lose him if he's holding a hand like JJ and we don't want to draw expensively if it turns out we're behind.

If the guy checks the turn, I would then make a healthy size bet to announce my intentions. If he counters with a check-raise all-in... well, then we got problems.

If this is true of the on-line games you play at, then I suggest re-thinking your game selection. In the games I play in almost all of those under pairs call me down if it's head up(of course I'm making the assumption that this is a head up hand as he doesn't mention any other players)

Again I disagree, but maybe you just play in really crappy games.

Just because you let them have a bunch of small pots, doesn't mean they are going to let you have the big ones.

I disagree, 8 bucks with AQs is an easy call for me.

First I'm not going to assume it's a coinflip before I raise, and if he only has 100 at the table I'm also not going to assume he has deeper pockets then me.

In this case, he has more than TPTK. He has the nut flush draw, in addition to TPTK. Those additional flush outs make a big difference.

You said:

'I don't see how you arrived at the conclusion that you were 'just shy of a coinflip' here.'

I showed you how he arrived at the conclusion. That's all.

'GrouchySmurf1002'

Why would he want to get in with a coin flip in the first place?

Ok, I see your logic here. My only problem is that in NLHE cash games, especially in deep stack games, whether or not you are profitable is usually determined by how good you play post-flop. That play for most people is dictated by closely they can put their opponent on a range of hands. Without the raise pre-flop, the hero here doesn't have much information to go on.

On almost all the tables I play, the original raiser will come out for a follow-up raise on the flop at least a third of the time. Are we ahead or behind, now? Hard to tell. Is it easier after the flop to get away from a losing hand with less money invested, or is it easier